Comments on: AP, IB, and Dual Enrollment (or PSEO): An Analysis http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/ Expert Advice on College Admission Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:09:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Cara Ray http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-9521 Cara Ray Tue, 06 Dec 2011 04:10:58 +0000 http://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=581#comment-9521 Absolutely! Doing well in a college level course is a great indicator of student success. It is a fantastic learning experience for students as well. Thanks for your comment! Absolutely! Doing well in a college level course is a great indicator of student success. It is a fantastic learning experience for students as well. Thanks for your comment!

]]> By: Kim Jackson http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-9445 Kim Jackson Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:57:38 +0000 http://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=581#comment-9445 My daughter recently graduated in June 2011 from a Florida high school and took DE coursework. FL awards equal quaility points for all acceleration programs. My daughter is now enrolled as a sophomore at the University of MS. Every class she took through DE transferred to that University. She was highly recruited from colleges across the country and all awarded the same admissions quality points to DE as they did AP. Colleges and Universities are now realizing that success in a college course is the greater predictor of college success. My daughter recently graduated in June 2011 from a Florida high school and took DE coursework. FL awards equal quaility points for all acceleration programs. My daughter is now enrolled as a sophomore at the University of MS. Every class she took through DE transferred to that University. She was highly recruited from colleges across the country and all awarded the same admissions quality points to DE as they did AP. Colleges and Universities are now realizing that success in a college course is the greater predictor of college success.

]]> By: Educational Consultant and College Planner | Great College Advice | Choosing a High School or School District To Boost College Admission Chances http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-8745 Educational Consultant and College Planner | Great College Advice | Choosing a High School or School District To Boost College Admission Chances Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:10:08 +0000 http://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=581#comment-8745 [...] of teaching at the school your kids attend.  This especially important when it comes to the AP and IB classes.  I have seen kids earn straight As in AP courses at some schools (or in some subjects) and yet [...] [...] of teaching at the school your kids attend.  This especially important when it comes to the AP and IB classes.  I have seen kids earn straight As in AP courses at some schools (or in some subjects) and yet [...]

]]> By: Mark Montgomery http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-8698 Mark Montgomery Mon, 29 Aug 2011 02:01:43 +0000 http://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=581#comment-8698 Sarah. Thanks for your comment. If you don't mind, I'm going to reproduce your note in its entirety and link it back to the original post. There's nothing like a true testimonial like yours to help convince others that they should consider all the options before making assumptions that one track is better than the next. I very much appreciate that you took the time to write us. Best wishes! Sarah. Thanks for your comment. If you don’t mind, I’m going to reproduce your note in its entirety and link it back to the original post. There’s nothing like a true testimonial like yours to help convince others that they should consider all the options before making assumptions that one track is better than the next. I very much appreciate that you took the time to write us. Best wishes!

]]> By: Sarah http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-8688 Sarah Sat, 27 Aug 2011 15:58:55 +0000 http://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=581#comment-8688 Mark, As a current college student, I vouch for the dual enrollment option when high school students are looking through their course options. I went to a very small, rural high school in Virginia, and had the opportunity to take DE credit classes through local community colleges. I finished at the top of my class and I am currently an academic junior at the College of William and Mary. During my freshman year in college, I came to find that a majority of my friends took AP classes, got an A or a high B in the class, but couldn't get a 4 or 5 on their AP exam (mind you, these students came from great private and public high schools all over the country, each with its own long standing AP track). William and Mary requires a score of 4 or 5 to get the credit from an AP course. I can't tell you how many of my friends got burned by taking AP. All 39 of my dual enrollment credits tranferred and I am graduating in 3 years. A lot of really great colleges and universities require high AP scores, so it is very important to do your research on the school you wish to attend. Taking an AP class may look good on a transcript, but how good will it look when the student doesn't pass the exam with the neccessary score? I feel like AP is put up on this pedestal as being the best of the best. However, there is nothing wrong with dual enrollment classes, and taking DE doesn't mean that one could not handle the supposed "harder" AP course load. I can assure you, the classes I took through my governor's school were more than challenging. Best of luck, Sarah Mark,

As a current college student, I vouch for the dual enrollment option when high school students are looking through their course options. I went to a very small, rural high school in Virginia, and had the opportunity to take DE credit classes through local community colleges. I finished at the top of my class and I am currently an academic junior at the College of William and Mary.
During my freshman year in college, I came to find that a majority of my friends took AP classes, got an A or a high B in the class, but couldn’t get a 4 or 5 on their AP exam (mind you, these students came from great private and public high schools all over the country, each with its own long standing AP track). William and Mary requires a score of 4 or 5 to get the credit from an AP course. I can’t tell you how many of my friends got burned by taking AP. All 39 of my dual enrollment credits tranferred and I am graduating in 3 years.
A lot of really great colleges and universities require high AP scores, so it is very important to do your research on the school you wish to attend. Taking an AP class may look good on a transcript, but how good will it look when the student doesn’t pass the exam with the neccessary score? I feel like AP is put up on this pedestal as being the best of the best. However, there is nothing wrong with dual enrollment classes, and taking DE doesn’t mean that one could not handle the supposed “harder” AP course load. I can assure you, the classes I took through my governor’s school were more than challenging.
Best of luck,

Sarah

]]> By: Mark Montgomery http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-8683 Mark Montgomery Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:04:04 +0000 http://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=581#comment-8683 Hi, Elijah, It sounds like you have made some good choices. There are other universities that we might add to the list, but I'd need to know more about music, more about your desire for AP credit, and also about whether you seek merit based financial aid. We review lists for students as consultants, and we'd be happy to help you with your. Let us know if this is something you think we can be helpful in doing. Best, Mark Hi, Elijah,
It sounds like you have made some good choices. There are other universities that we might add to the list, but I’d need to know more about music, more about your desire for AP credit, and also about whether you seek merit based financial aid. We review lists for students as consultants, and we’d be happy to help you with your. Let us know if this is something you think we can be helpful in doing.

Best,
Mark

]]> By: Elijah http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-8675 Elijah Thu, 25 Aug 2011 00:06:12 +0000 http://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=581#comment-8675 Thank you very much. Your advice has served to concrete my choice to go through the IB program... already i have discovered that the best thing for me to do is to simply manage my time wisely, and i feel as if im on the right track so far. And if you still would like to counsel me, i still can not decide the between my college choices...so if you would like to help me here is my information: I plan on majoring in engineering (aeronautical or mechanical), and minoring or maybe even a double major in music or architecture (haven't decided yet)... I plan on getting my doctorates too-- going straight to graduates school... My college choices are: Georgia Tech if i want/have to stay in-state, University of Miami (my first choice) Florida AMU (if i want to double major in band/music also) St. Johns University (only college i KNOW accepts IB credit) Rochester University (possibly my graduate school) and if i get the IB diploma i may go abroad (don' t really know much about colleges overseas) I know it sounds like a lot but i am told that i must narrow my choices to only three... So which three? Are there better colleges in the country as pertains to my career goals? What are some other colleges overseas that i should look into too? Thanks in advance for being so helpful! 8D Thank you very much.

Your advice has served to concrete my choice to go through the IB program… already i have discovered that the best thing for me to do is to simply manage my time wisely, and i feel as if im on the right track so far.

And if you still would like to counsel me, i still can not decide the between my college choices…so if you would like to help me here is my information:
I plan on majoring in engineering (aeronautical or mechanical), and minoring or maybe even a double major in music or architecture (haven’t decided yet)…
I plan on getting my doctorates too– going straight to graduates school…
My college choices are:
Georgia Tech if i want/have to stay in-state,
University of Miami (my first choice)
Florida AMU (if i want to double major in band/music also)
St. Johns University (only college i KNOW accepts IB credit)
Rochester University (possibly my graduate school)
and if i get the IB diploma i may go abroad (don’ t really know much about colleges overseas)

I know it sounds like a lot but i am told that i must narrow my choices to only three… So which three?
Are there better colleges in the country as pertains to my career goals? What are some other colleges overseas that i should look into too?

Thanks in advance for being so helpful! 8D

]]> By: Mark Montgomery http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-8654 Mark Montgomery Mon, 22 Aug 2011 02:06:48 +0000 http://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=581#comment-8654 Hello, and thanks for writing in. I can understand your dilemma. But I'm not sure how best to counsel you, as I really don't have enough information about your school choices, the college(s) you are contemplating, and myriad other factors that would go into a big decision like this. It may be too late to offer you any specific guidance, but perhaps talking to one of our counselors for an hour or two might help you clarify things. If this is something that you think would be helpful, please let me know through the comment page on our website. Thanks, and good luck! Hello, and thanks for writing in. I can understand your dilemma. But I’m not sure how best to counsel you, as I really don’t have enough information about your school choices, the college(s) you are contemplating, and myriad other factors that would go into a big decision like this. It may be too late to offer you any specific guidance, but perhaps talking to one of our counselors for an hour or two might help you clarify things. If this is something that you think would be helpful, please let me know through the comment page on our website. Thanks, and good luck!

]]> By: Mark Montgomery http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-8649 Mark Montgomery Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:15:31 +0000 http://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=581#comment-8649 Hi, Elijah, I really can't answer your question well, as there are too many variables involved. But the bottom line is this: your school is not nearly as important as your performance. You can go to an awesome school, but if you fail and AP test, well, then it's your performance on that exam that is going to count. You should do what makes sense for you, both academically and logistically. The fact that a school offers opportunities means nothing if you do not take advantage of them...or create opportunities for yourself. Ultimately, the choice is not as significant as you make out. Do what makes sense, and then strive to perform at the highest level possible. Best of luck! Hi, Elijah,
I really can’t answer your question well, as there are too many variables involved. But the bottom line is this: your school is not nearly as important as your performance. You can go to an awesome school, but if you fail and AP test, well, then it’s your performance on that exam that is going to count. You should do what makes sense for you, both academically and logistically. The fact that a school offers opportunities means nothing if you do not take advantage of them…or create opportunities for yourself. Ultimately, the choice is not as significant as you make out. Do what makes sense, and then strive to perform at the highest level possible. Best of luck!

]]> By: Elijah http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-8592 Elijah Thu, 04 Aug 2011 00:45:12 +0000 http://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=581#comment-8592 Hi. So I am going to be a junior starting next week and i am fully aware of the turning point this can be... I was in pre-IB the last 2 years of HS but the program got canceled from that school so now I have to go to a another school miles away, but at the same time i have the opportunity to go to a closer school in which offers lots of AP classes. My first taste of AP was not good either ( last year when i took AP US Government and got a B+ but failed the Exam, with a 2). Additionally if I go to the closer school i will have the chance to do Dual next semester (missed the deadline for full year enrollment). So taking into consideration the fact that the closer school i can go to has accreditation issues but includes more opportunities.ie. extracurricular activities and Dual Enrollment; and the further school restricts me to just doing IB.... Which should I choose??? Also I am planning on going to college out of state. Hi.
So I am going to be a junior starting next week and i am fully aware of the turning point this can be…
I was in pre-IB the last 2 years of HS but the program got canceled from that school so now I have to go to a another school miles away, but at the same time i have the opportunity to go to a closer school in which offers lots of AP classes. My first taste of AP was not good either ( last year when i took AP US Government and got a B+ but failed the Exam, with a 2). Additionally if I go to the closer school i will have the chance to do Dual next semester (missed the deadline for full year enrollment).
So taking into consideration the fact that the closer school i can go to has accreditation issues but includes more opportunities.ie. extracurricular activities and Dual Enrollment; and the further school restricts me to just doing IB…. Which should I choose???
Also I am planning on going to college out of state.

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