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		<title>By: Mark Montgomery</title>
		<link>http://greatcollegeadvice.com/ap-ib-and-dual-enrollment-or-pseo-an-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-5599</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 05:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Kim,
Thanks for your thoughtful and very helpful comment.  You see the pros and cons very clearly.  As you say, the PSEO option can help you amass college credits most easily if you are planning to attend a state university.  It is especially easy to transfer PSEO credits from a community college to a four-year college in the same state.  Private colleges, however, are under less pressure to accept those credits, both politically and economically.  So if you go the PSEO route, don&#039;t expect credits to transfer automatically to a private college--do the research in advance.  
Best of luck, and thanks again for stopping by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Kim,<br />
Thanks for your thoughtful and very helpful comment.  You see the pros and cons very clearly.  As you say, the PSEO option can help you amass college credits most easily if you are planning to attend a state university.  It is especially easy to transfer PSEO credits from a community college to a four-year college in the same state.  Private colleges, however, are under less pressure to accept those credits, both politically and economically.  So if you go the PSEO route, don&#8217;t expect credits to transfer automatically to a private college&#8211;do the research in advance.<br />
Best of luck, and thanks again for stopping by.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 02:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! I happen to be a full-time dual enrolled student, and I have to say that it has for the most part worked out wonderfully for me. 

I can understand why AP would be more appealing than dual-enrollment to some people because of the GPA breaks, but my high school is rather stupid. They don&#039;t weigh GPA&#039;s for hard classes at all, and the AP classes are overcrowded, hard to get into, and usually poorly taught, so for me dual-enrollment sounded like a much better option.

Even though I&#039;ve loved the freedom of my new schedule, there have been a few drawbacks. Firstly, my GPA has dropped a bit since enrolling in PSEO. Math is not really my strong suit, and I got a B in College Algebra, ruining my 4.0 and knocking me out of the top 5% of the class. That&#039;s right, if you take only easy classes, it is very easy to get a 4.0 around my high school, and it screws all of the students who want to challenge themselves over.

Another weakness is that my credits won&#039;t transfer everywhere. I wish there were some sort of comprehensive list of all of the places that will accept credit, but for the most part colleges are not very forthcoming on their websites about accepting other credits. Most &quot;elite&quot; schools will accept little, if any, of my credits, but all of the colleges in my state (Minnesota) are willing to accept them all. 

In short, PSEO has been a wonderful experience for me and has been way less stressful than regular high school, with it&#039;s controlling administration and teenage drama. However, the challenging coursework has caused my GPA to drop, and I am now very limited in the schools that I can attend without losing credit. It&#039;s a good thing that I like the University of Minnesota -- Twin Cities, or I&#039;d have really been screwed over!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! I happen to be a full-time dual enrolled student, and I have to say that it has for the most part worked out wonderfully for me. </p>
<p>I can understand why AP would be more appealing than dual-enrollment to some people because of the GPA breaks, but my high school is rather stupid. They don&#8217;t weigh GPA&#8217;s for hard classes at all, and the AP classes are overcrowded, hard to get into, and usually poorly taught, so for me dual-enrollment sounded like a much better option.</p>
<p>Even though I&#8217;ve loved the freedom of my new schedule, there have been a few drawbacks. Firstly, my GPA has dropped a bit since enrolling in PSEO. Math is not really my strong suit, and I got a B in College Algebra, ruining my 4.0 and knocking me out of the top 5% of the class. That&#8217;s right, if you take only easy classes, it is very easy to get a 4.0 around my high school, and it screws all of the students who want to challenge themselves over.</p>
<p>Another weakness is that my credits won&#8217;t transfer everywhere. I wish there were some sort of comprehensive list of all of the places that will accept credit, but for the most part colleges are not very forthcoming on their websites about accepting other credits. Most &#8220;elite&#8221; schools will accept little, if any, of my credits, but all of the colleges in my state (Minnesota) are willing to accept them all. </p>
<p>In short, PSEO has been a wonderful experience for me and has been way less stressful than regular high school, with it&#8217;s controlling administration and teenage drama. However, the challenging coursework has caused my GPA to drop, and I am now very limited in the schools that I can attend without losing credit. It&#8217;s a good thing that I like the University of Minnesota &#8212; Twin Cities, or I&#8217;d have really been screwed over!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Montgomery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Keith.

Your community college credits are transferable, by law, to another state-funded institution of higher education in the state of California.  Florida is under no obligation to accept those credits. Thus since you have not yet graduated high school, you will be considered a freshman in Florida. However, in California, you can be a junior (as long as all of your credits fall within the California state guidelines for transfer--you&#039;ll have to talk to the colleges there to be sure).  

If you want to go to college in Florida, then your dual enrollment classes will certainly help you get admitted.  But again, they credits will not likely transfer.  So you have to decide which is preferable:  save money and time and stay in California, or move to Florida and pay more money and take longer to complete your degree (and then maybe go to Florida for graduate school...?)

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Keith.</p>
<p>Your community college credits are transferable, by law, to another state-funded institution of higher education in the state of California.  Florida is under no obligation to accept those credits. Thus since you have not yet graduated high school, you will be considered a freshman in Florida. However, in California, you can be a junior (as long as all of your credits fall within the California state guidelines for transfer&#8211;you&#8217;ll have to talk to the colleges there to be sure).  </p>
<p>If you want to go to college in Florida, then your dual enrollment classes will certainly help you get admitted.  But again, they credits will not likely transfer.  So you have to decide which is preferable:  save money and time and stay in California, or move to Florida and pay more money and take longer to complete your degree (and then maybe go to Florida for graduate school&#8230;?)</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 04:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m a dual-enrollment student that&#039;s currently enrolled in a community college in California. This past semester I exceeded my 60 units and am now considered an upper level college student at the community college, I want to  transfer to a school in Florida as a Jr. When I applied they called and said that I may be considered as a freshman due to my being a dual-enrollment student. Can you help explain this? Is there a way around this? It is because I&#039;m an out of state student that I&#039;m facing this issue, do the credits not transfer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m a dual-enrollment student that&#8217;s currently enrolled in a community college in California. This past semester I exceeded my 60 units and am now considered an upper level college student at the community college, I want to  transfer to a school in Florida as a Jr. When I applied they called and said that I may be considered as a freshman due to my being a dual-enrollment student. Can you help explain this? Is there a way around this? It is because I&#8217;m an out of state student that I&#8217;m facing this issue, do the credits not transfer?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Susan.
I think it&#039;s kind of funny that your school is discouraging PSEO participation.  I wonder what the beef is...too many kids finding HS boring and irrelevant?

As for your fear that private and public colleges will not take due notice of your son or daughter&#039;s transcript, please don&#039;t worry.  Try not to, anyway.  Colleges have their own internal systems of judging the rigor of a student&#039;s curriculum.  They will look not only at PSEO courses, but also AP, IB, and honors.  They will also receive a profile of the graduates of the school, which will explain their weighting policies (or lack thereof).  When it comes to merit based aid,  it&#039;s usually based on GPA and test scores (see Southwestern University, for example, which makes their awards very clear).  Or else it is some mysterious, unidentified process that colleges prefer to keep to themselves.  If there is any doubt, you can contact individual colleges and universities directly to learn about their policies about merit aid awards and their relation to weighted and unweighted GPA and class rank.  

I hope this helps a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Susan.<br />
I think it&#8217;s kind of funny that your school is discouraging PSEO participation.  I wonder what the beef is&#8230;too many kids finding HS boring and irrelevant?</p>
<p>As for your fear that private and public colleges will not take due notice of your son or daughter&#8217;s transcript, please don&#8217;t worry.  Try not to, anyway.  Colleges have their own internal systems of judging the rigor of a student&#8217;s curriculum.  They will look not only at PSEO courses, but also AP, IB, and honors.  They will also receive a profile of the graduates of the school, which will explain their weighting policies (or lack thereof).  When it comes to merit based aid,  it&#8217;s usually based on GPA and test scores (see Southwestern University, for example, which makes their awards very clear).  Or else it is some mysterious, unidentified process that colleges prefer to keep to themselves.  If there is any doubt, you can contact individual colleges and universities directly to learn about their policies about merit aid awards and their relation to weighted and unweighted GPA and class rank.  </p>
<p>I hope this helps a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you are still taking questions.
Do private and public colleges do their own weighting of grades when they consider admission and scholarships?
Our school has removed weight and class rank to discourage PSEO participation.
How do you get consideration for merit based aid when the HS transcript must be mailed directly from the HS guidance office?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you are still taking questions.<br />
Do private and public colleges do their own weighting of grades when they consider admission and scholarships?<br />
Our school has removed weight and class rank to discourage PSEO participation.<br />
How do you get consideration for merit based aid when the HS transcript must be mailed directly from the HS guidance office?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Tiffany,
I&#039;m not sure I can really help you, except to say that this is a common conundrum.  If you are leaving IB because it is tough, remember that AP classes are no cakewalk.  However, the AP curriculum permits you greater range of choice and a broader curriculum than the more focused IB.  Either curriculum is great.  Either will testify to the fact that you are taking a demanding curriculum.  In both cases, what will matter is your performance:  how well did you do in those classes and on those exams?  The curriculum is not what will get you into college:  it&#039;s your performance.  
Hope this at least helps you to frame the question, even if I&#039;m not able to provide you with the answer.
Best of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Tiffany,<br />
I&#8217;m not sure I can really help you, except to say that this is a common conundrum.  If you are leaving IB because it is tough, remember that AP classes are no cakewalk.  However, the AP curriculum permits you greater range of choice and a broader curriculum than the more focused IB.  Either curriculum is great.  Either will testify to the fact that you are taking a demanding curriculum.  In both cases, what will matter is your performance:  how well did you do in those classes and on those exams?  The curriculum is not what will get you into college:  it&#8217;s your performance.<br />
Hope this at least helps you to frame the question, even if I&#8217;m not able to provide you with the answer.<br />
Best of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: tiffany</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m an IB student and it&#039;s my junior year. I think junior year is the most difficult, specially in IB and I don&#039;t know if I want to continue. My classes are tough and I&#039;m in 2 different sports in my school. I can&#039;t decide on whether to stay in the program or get out. I also feel that if I get out I can succeed more in honors or AP classes more than being in IB. I really need advice. please help me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m an IB student and it&#8217;s my junior year. I think junior year is the most difficult, specially in IB and I don&#8217;t know if I want to continue. My classes are tough and I&#8217;m in 2 different sports in my school. I can&#8217;t decide on whether to stay in the program or get out. I also feel that if I get out I can succeed more in honors or AP classes more than being in IB. I really need advice. please help me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Babita,
Thanks for your question and your follow-up phone call.  As I explained on the phone, it&#039;s virtually impossible for me to give advice like this without a full understanding of the options available, the academic goals of your student, her preferences and priorities, and her learning style.  Fortunately, we can begin to do that by phone, so I&#039;m looking forward to learning more about your daughter as she maps her college journey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Babita,<br />
Thanks for your question and your follow-up phone call.  As I explained on the phone, it&#8217;s virtually impossible for me to give advice like this without a full understanding of the options available, the academic goals of your student, her preferences and priorities, and her learning style.  Fortunately, we can begin to do that by phone, so I&#8217;m looking forward to learning more about your daughter as she maps her college journey!</p>
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		<title>By: Babita D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Babita D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter just started IB this year, she is thinking about changing to dual enrollment, what is your suggestion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter just started IB this year, she is thinking about changing to dual enrollment, what is your suggestion?</p>
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