Chinese Students and Beloit College–The Case for A Liberal Arts Education

In researching notable Chinese people who have attended liberal arts colleges in the United States, I came across this honors term project written in 1993 by a student at Beloit College, entitled (appropriately enough Chinese Students and Beloit College. Written by Xinwei Cai, this article is thorough study of Beloit’s history of interaction with China, as well as a look at the reasons why Chinese students have chosen to study at Beloit over the years.
I recommend this article to any Chinese student who is interested in studying in the United States, and who may be considering a strong, academically rigorous liberal arts education in a community that is warm and welcoming of its Chinese students.
Mark Montgomery
Educational Consultant to Chinese Students Studying in the USA

On the Waiting List? Fuggedaboudit. Your Chances Are Slim.

Jacques Steinberg of the New York Times has an article yesterday in which he analyzes the phenomenon of the waiting list.
Due to high volumes of applications and admissions offices’ uncertainty about how the economy might affect their yield rate, colleges have placed more students in limbo than ever before.
Many college counselors will give their kids strategies about how they can demonstrate their true love for the college and help get themselves off the wait list.
As Mr. Steinberg explains,  however, there is virtually nothing you can do to get yourself off the wait list. You can accept the college’s offer to remain on the wait list.  And then you just wait.
Here is a snippet from Mr. Steinberg’s article to explain how the waiting list works.

Like its competitors, Duke does not rank students on its waiting list. Instead, decisions about who will rise to the top are often a function of what the admissions office perceives as deficiencies in the next freshman class. There might be, for example, a surplus of aspiring engineers and not enough potential English majors, or too few students from Florida. Or there might be an unexpected shortage of oboe players.

While Mr. Guttentag encourages students on the waiting list to send him a one-page letter — or a video of 60 seconds or less — letting him know how strongly they wish to attend, and why, they can do little to improve their chances.

“The student can’t know, ‘Gee, did all the violinists decide to turn us down?’ ” he said. “They can’t affect this very much at this point.”

You see, as with so much else with the college admissions process, a student’s individual chances of admission have much less to do with their academic performance, their scores on the SAT or ACT, or even how good a leader or oboe player you might be.
Your chances have more to do with whether the college NEEDS an oboe player this year. Of course, if you are the best oboe player in the applicant pool this year, you stand a better chance than the kid who switched over from clarinet as a junior and still squawks when he plays.  But if Duke accepted 14 oboe players last year, well, I’m sorry:   you may be better than all those 14 others, but we just don’t need you.
When my students end up on the waiting list, here’s what I do.
First I tell them that the college doesn’t know what it will be missing. Each applicant that I send toward a particular school fits that school well, I believe.  But sometimes it just doesn’t work out: too many oboes.  I urge the student not towards sour grapes, but toward embracing the disappointment–and then moving on.
Second, if the school is truly one of the student’s top choices, then I advise the student to stay on the waiting list, and then write a letter to admissions updating their resume and highlighting any new accomplishments that were not in the original application.
Third, I help the student understand that to come off the waiting list is really Plan B, and that we have to turn to Plan A–which is to figure out which of the student’s other choices are the best option to pursue.  This is where I spend the bulk of my energy as a counselor.  While the student has been excited and hopeful about this college that rejected her, she does have other excellent options and my role is to help her get equally excited and hopeful about her other options. (And frankly, if I’ve done my job right from the start, a student is excited and hopeful about all the possible options on her list–and is not absolutely crushed when her first choice school rejects her.  But I admit it doesn’t always work that way, unfortunately.)
To build this excitement, I encourage the family to visit one or more of the colleges that have sent acceptance letters.  I help the student do a bit more research about the colleges that have said yes, including contacting current students, professors.
And the colleges help me out in this, because the colleges that have accepted her actually do want her.  They need a great oboe player this year, and they  have decided that she is the one. So they are going to pull out the stops to ensure that she enrolls.  Colleges know that it feels good to be wanted, and admissions offices across the country have become darned good at showing the love to students they accept.  (For example, one of my student received a package in the mail containing personalized business cards with his name on it from a college, including his new email address.  Even though this school was not his first choice, my student looked at them and felt like he already belonged!  These college marketing folks are geniuses!).
The key from the beginning of this process to the very end is to focus on developing a strong list of schools, each of which the student desires, each of which meet the student’s educational, social, and personal criteria, each of which would provide her with excellent opportunities.  They we make the strongest case on the applications that these schools match the student.  Then we hope and pray that the schools agree that the fit is snug.
And if the college–for reasons of its own budgetary and enrollment management–puts the student on the wait list, we just turn to the next opportunity where the fit is just as good and the outcome just as happy.
Mark Montgomery
Educational Consultant

College Interview Tips

a student sitting in a college interview in front of teachers

Fall is when most high school seniors have college interviews. The interview is an important opportunity for you to show the college certain things about yourself that may not come through on paper. Not every school allows interviews and it is important that you look at college websites to find out more about their interview policies. You also want to find out how the interview will be used in the review of your file. Often a summary of the conversation you had with the interviewer will be placed in your file and it is sometimes used in the admission process as a gauge of your interest in the college.

There are several different interview formats out there as well. Some schools offer a traditional, one-on-one conversation with an admissions officer, student who works in the admissions office or with an Alumnus of the college or university. You should be professional no matter which person you interview with. Just because you interview with a student does not mean you should let your guard down and be unprofessional. You may have the opportunity to meet with an Alumnus in your area if you are unable to visit the college campus at a time when interviews are offered.

This is a great opportunity to talk to someone who attended the college and find out how being a student there has benefited them later in life. Another interview style that colleges use is with a panel (sometimes composed of a professor, school administrator, alumnus, admissions officer or student). This type of interview can be overwhelming, but it is a great opportunity for you to gain perspective about the college from several different people.

Some schools require you to participate in a group interview. During group interviews, evaluators are trying to determine your ability to work with others and what role you typically play in a group setting. While these types of interviews are somewhat harder to prepare for. It is a great opportunity to show some of your talents! No matter what type of interview you participate in. It is important to keep in mind that this is an significant piece of your college application.

Here are a few things to consider when interviewing with a college:

Time is important:

Make sure you schedule an appointment for your interview. Do not assume you will be able to get a time slot the day you happen to be on campus. Most schools will not conduct interviews on weekends either. Also, be on time. Everyone understands that things happen and you may be late for your interview. If this is the case, be sure to call the office and let them know. Finally, the interviewers schedule may be tight, so make sure you say what you feel is the most important thing for them to know about you in the beginning of the interview.

Do your research:

If you do interview with a school, make sure it is one that you are really interested in. Ask well research questions about specific programs or activities offered at the school. Remember this is also the time for you to find out if the school is a good fit for you. The interviewer will also ask you why you are interested in a school or a specific program at the school. Make sure you have thought about your answer ahead of time!

Be professional:

You don’t have to wear a suit for your interview, but make sure your appearance is appropriate. Most interviewers understand that you are touring college campuses before or after your interview. So most are not expecting high heels and three piece suits. You should however, not be wearing your sweatpants or short shorts. Also, make sure you are not wearing too much perfume or cologne. Strong smells can be really over powering and a distraction for the interviewer. Finally, make sure that you cell phone is off or leave it in the lobby with your parents. Even having your phone on vibrate can be a negative distraction.

Watch your language:

You are not having a conversation with your friends, so watch how much slang you use and no profanity! If you are a person that uses the word “like” every other word, then practice having conversations without it!

Ask yourself some questions:

The interviewer will ask you questions such as, “How would you describe yourself?” “How would your teachers describe you?” “What is your favorite subject?” “What are you interested in studying in college?” Make sure you have some good answers.

Write a thank you note:

This shows the interviewer that you appreciated him or her taking time out of his or her day to interview you. You want the note to be grammatically correct and remember- it will probably end up in your admission file and resurface at the time your file is reviewed.

Katherine Price
Former Interviewer

Meeting with Admission Counselors in Your Hometown

The travel season for admission counselors is well underway.  These brave admission professionals travel for weeks on end in the fall, all to visit prospective students and their families.  Some will visit up to 5 or 6 schools a day and do a college fair or conduct interviews at night.  The time they spend with students on these trips is very important.  So, if you intend to meet with an admission representative who has ventured to your area, here are some tips to help make the meeting worthwhile:
Tip #1:  Find out if someone is coming to your school
Get out the list of colleges you plan on applying to and call the admission offices to find out if there will be a representative coming to your school.  You may also be able to find out from your guidance or college counseling office.
Tip #2:  Take advantage of other opportunities
If they are not coming to your school, but will be in the area, find out when and where.  Ask if there is an opportunity to meet with the admission counselor for an interview.  See if they plan on conducting an information session at their hotel.  Ask if the counselor will be at a local college fair.  There are plenty of opportunities to see an admission counselor even if they are not planning on visiting your school.
Tip #3:  Plan ahead
If the admission counselor is visiting your school, make sure you plan ahead.  Find out if you will be able to get out of class in order to meet with them.  Talk to the teacher of the class ahead of time and make sure to ask what material you will be missing.  If you can not get out of class, contact the admission counselor directly and see if there are any other opportunities for you to meet while they are in town (see Tip #2).
Tip #4:  Making the most of the high school visit
When you meet with an admission counselor, it is important to be prepared.  Follow the advice we have previously posted in “Dance with an Admission Officer” and “The Art of College Fairs”.  Be prepared to have a conversation, ask detailed and specific questions and just be yourself!  They are looking forward to getting to know as much as you are looking forward to learning more about the school!

Katherine Price
Former Admission Road Warrior
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Educational Consulting Helps Parent and Student Sort Out What’s Best

Sometimes clients hire me thinking that the path is completely clear. Then after weeks of probing conversations, guided research, and creation of a list of criteria, the path suddenly takes an unexpected–but very welcome turn.  In this short video, a parent describes what she didn’t know as she embarked on this process, and her satisfaction that her son will be attending a college that suits him perfectly.





Mark Montgomery
Educational Consultant and College Planner