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		<title>Kiplinger&#8217;s Best Values in Public Colleges</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared Hobson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>What public colleges are offering the best "value" in high education?  Read about Kiplinger's recent rankings.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com/blog/kiplingers-best-values-in-public-colleges/">Kiplinger’s Best Values in Public Colleges</a> first appeared on <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com">Great College Advice</a>.</p>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We often warn clients to not take rankings too seriously.  We encourage them to use the information to research schools, but don&#8217;t make a decision about a college solely based on where that college stands on a list.<br />
Public higher education has had a rough road lately.  It seems the all the media attention regarding public higher education is geared towards budget cuts and rising tuition.  Kiplinger recently released their annual list of <a href="https://www.kiplinger.com/tools/colleges/">&#8220;Best Values in Public Colleges.&#8221;</a>  This list provides some insights into the positive aspects of public higher education.  It highlights the fact that not only are there opportunities to obtain a cost effective college degree, but you do not have to sacrifice academic quality to do so.<br />
The article, &#8220;<a href="https://www.kiplinger.com/magazine/archives/how-we-rank-top-public-college-values.html">How We Rank Top Public College Values</a>&#8221; outlines both the financial and academic aspects that were reviewed in creating the rankings.  On the financial side, Kiplinger looked at the total cost for in-state students, as well as the average cost after financial aid is factored in.  They also looked at the percentage of students borrowing and the average debt amount upon graduation.  For the academic side, they looked at factors such as admission statistics, and retention rates, and percentage of students graduating in 4 and 6 years.<br />
In determining &#8220;value,&#8221; Kiplinger places higher importance on the academic factors over cost. Isn&#8217;t this what higher education is all about?  Understandably, cost has become a determining factor in how families approach the college application process.  While it is difficult to assess the academic value prior to enrolling at a school, it is something that families can still research.  Kiplinger&#8217;s list shows that there are public schools that can still maintain high academic quality at a public school price.</p><p>The post <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com/blog/kiplingers-best-values-in-public-colleges/">Kiplinger’s Best Values in Public Colleges</a> first appeared on <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com">Great College Advice</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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		<title>U.S. News and World Report 2012 Rankings</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared Hobson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>The 2012 rankings have arrived from U.S. News and World Report</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com/blog/u-s-news-and-world-report-2012-rankings/">U.S. News and World Report 2012 Rankings</a> first appeared on <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com">Great College Advice</a>.</p>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 28th edition of the U.S. News and World Report rankings are out for 2012.These rankings include everything from &#8220;A+ schools for B students&#8221; to &#8220;Up and Coming schools.&#8221;<br />
Check out where some of the schools on your college list rank but remember that there is a lot more to choosing a college than just basing the decision on rankings.<br />
<a href="https://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges">https://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges</a>.  For our own rankings that combine US News with the rankings from Forbes and the Academic Rankings of World Universities, check out our link under &#8220;Resources&#8221; above, or simply click <a title="Educational Consultant comments on college and university rankings" href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.</p><p>The post <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com/blog/u-s-news-and-world-report-2012-rankings/">U.S. News and World Report 2012 Rankings</a> first appeared on <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com">Great College Advice</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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		<title>More on the Biggest Party Schools</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared Hobson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Inside Higher Ed carried a very thoughtful piece about party school rankings, including those published by the Princeton Review. The fact is that these rankings are sometimes manipulated by students...</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com/blog/more-on-the-biggest-party-schools/">More on the Biggest Party Schools</a> first appeared on <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com">Great College Advice</a>.</p>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Inside Higher Ed</em> carried a very thoughtful piece about party school rankings, including those published by the <em>Princeton Review</em>.</p>
<p>The fact is that these rankings are sometimes manipulated by students on campuses. For example, there is some indication that <a href="https://www.psu.edu/">Penn State</a> students pushed one another on various Facebook groups to vote for their school (the rankings are derived from online student surveys).</p>
<p>Are these rankings valid? Probably not, in a statistical sense. And as I have said, nearly every college is a party school in one sense or another.</p>
<p>But the folks at <em>Princeton Review</em> do point out that the schools at the top of the party school list have been fairly consistent over time.  (There also is quite a lot of overlap between <em>Playboy</em>&#8216;s list and the <em>Princeton Review</em>&#8216;s list).  They also point to the fact that Brigham Young University has been at the top of their &#8220;Stone Cold Sober&#8221; list for 12 years in a row. So perhaps there is a grain of truth in these rankings.</p>
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		<title>US News Rankings: Nothing &#038; Everything</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared Hobson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Doug Lederer and the folks at Inside Higher Ed bring us a story today of Clemson University and how it manipulates data to help move itself up in the US...</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com/blog/truth-revealed-us-news-rankings-mean-nothing-and-everything/">US News Rankings: Nothing & Everything</a> first appeared on <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com">Great College Advice</a>.</p>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug Lederer and the folks at <a title="education consulting in Insider Higher Ed" href="https://insidehighered.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Inside Higher Ed</a> bring us a story today of <a title="Educational consultant on Clemson" href="https://clemson.edu" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Clemson University</a> and how it manipulates data to help move itself up in the <em>US News &amp; World Report</em> annual rankings.</p>
<p>These rankings bug me.  As an <a title="educational consultant in Colorado" href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">educational consultant</a>, I am constantly having to explain that these rankings are at best imperfect measures of institutional quality and at worst amount to a completely misleading popularity contest.  Just today I am having to respond to a client&#8217;s whining that the universities I am suggesting are &#8220;too far down the league tables&#8221; (to which I might respond:  &#8220;so how come you didn&#8217;t think of that when you were preparing for your algebra final&#8221;).  My client doesn&#8217;t want to listen to any reasoned argument that the quality of education that an individual student received in the classroom has little or no bearing on the the league tables presented in <em>US News</em>.  Needless to say, it&#8217;s going to be an interesting day.</p>
<p>What has me looking up, however, is the fact that a former institutional researcher at Clemson gave a presentation at the Association of Institutional Research that revealed in great detail the strategies that Clemson administrators were using to lift Clemson in the <em>US News</em> rankings.  And the participants&#8211;other institutional researchers from other universities who also report data to <em>US News</em>&#8211;where shocked.  <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>Shocked</em></span>, I say.</p>
<p>You can read the article yourself:  Doug Lederer is a great writer and the article is balanced.</p>
<p>The funny thing (okay, well, it&#8217;s really not so hilarious&#8211;it&#8217;s more funny-peculiar) is that colleges and universities bash the ratings when they&#8217;re  down, and then post them on their websites anytime their name is mentioned favorably in those same rankings.</p>
<p>Everyone wants &#8220;proof&#8221; that the quality of their educational product is somehow good&#8211;better than their peers&#8211;more worthy of your consumer dollar.  Yet colleges and universities know that the measures developed by <em>US News</em> are flawed.  They know that they measure institutional inputs and not educational outcomes.  They know that statistics like <a title="educational consultant on faculty student ratio" href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com/blog/student-to-faculty-ratios-what-do-these-statistics-mean-part-i/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">student-to-faculty ratios are misleading</a>.</p>
<p>Still, the college administrators slavishly report their data to the magazine editors&#8211;with or without manipulation or &#8220;influencing&#8221; the data.  They know it&#8217;s a stupid game, but they play it anyway.  And clearly Clemson has the rules down pat.</p>
<p>As Marcellus uttered in Shakespeare&#8217;s <em>Hamlet</em>, something is rotten&#8211;not in Denmark&#8211;but in American higher education.</p>
<p>I do understand this quest for some sort of evaluation system that will help us compare one college against the next so that we can make better decisions about which college is best for which kids.  But we don&#8217;t need <a title="Educational consultant critiques US News World Report" href="https://usnews.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">US News &amp; World Reports</a>.  We need <a title="educational consulting and unbiased reviews" href="https://consumerreports.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Consumer Reports</em></a>.</p>
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<p>&nbsp;</p><p>The post <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com/blog/truth-revealed-us-news-rankings-mean-nothing-and-everything/">US News Rankings: Nothing & Everything</a> first appeared on <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com">Great College Advice</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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		<title>Baylor Pays Students to Retake SAT for Rankings</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared Hobson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Just a couple of weeks ago, the National Council for College Admissions Counseling issued a report calling on colleges to reduce the importance of standardized scores in the admissions process....</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com/blog/baylor-pays-students-to-retake-the-sat-proving-that-rankings-drive-policy/">Baylor Pays Students to Retake SAT for Rankings</a> first appeared on <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com">Great College Advice</a>.</p>]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a couple of weeks ago, the <a title="NACAC" href="https://www.nacacnet.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">National Council for College Admissions Counseling</a> issued a report calling on colleges to <a title="college counselor" href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com/blog/national-counseling-association-considers-value-of-sat-act/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">reduce the importance of standardized scores</a> in the admissions process.</p>
<p>But as long as public rankings of colleges and universities, such as those issue by <a title="US News &amp; World Report" href="https://usnews.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">US News &amp; World Report</a>, it&#8217;s unlikely that colleges will dump their dependence on scores any time soon.</p>
<p><a title="Baylor University" href="https://www.baylor.edu" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Baylor University</a> is now paying its accepted students to retake the <a title="College Board" href="https://www.collegeboard.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SAT</a>.  The stated aim is to encourage students to improve their scores and thereby be eligible for more scholarship aid.  But the ploy also helps move Baylor&#8217;s average SAT score up a notch or two.  And in the world of rankings, a notch or two is significant.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how it works at Baylor.  Admissions and financial aid folks at Baylor contact accepted students telling them that if they retake the SAT, they will receive a $300 credit the campus bookstore. If students raised their scores by 50 points, they would receive a $1000 scholarship.  Moreover, students who raised their scores above predetermined cut-off points for certain merit scholarships, they would then be eligible or thousands more dollars in scholarships.</p>
<p>The plan worked.  Over 800 students retook the SAT, about 150 received the $1000 scholarship for raising scores by 50 points or more, and 177 boosted their scores over the merit hump and pulled down another $450,000 in scholarships.  And (surprise!) Baylor&#8217;s average SAT score went up by 10 points.</p>
<p>You see, when it comes to the use of SAT and <a title="ACT" href="https://act.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ACT</a> scores in the admissions process, we have something of a vicious circle.  Even though virtually everyone agrees that there is no adequate proof that these scores predict college success or measure intelligence or aptitude, we can&#8217;t seem to get rid of them.  Why not?</p>
<p>Colleges, especially selective ones, find the short-hand numbers provided by the score a convenient sorting tool.</p>
<p>Reading applications more carefully and devising more personal or holistic admissions procedures takes time&#8211;and probably will cost more&#8211;if more staff people are required  to actually read every single application more carefully.</p>
<p>While everyone moans about the rankings, every rankings organization uses the scores as one important measure of a college&#8217;s selectivity and quality.</p>
<p>Colleges in the middle or bottom of rankings heap tend to be the ones most willing to abandon the scores as an admissions tool.  What is the incentive for Harvard, Yale, or Princeton to stop using the test scores in admissions?  (Besides, with their huge volumes of applications, these are the schools that depend on scores more heavily in assigning each application a number (the &#8220;academic index,&#8221; based on test scores and class rank).  Still, even schools like Baylor with very average SAT scores, aspire to be considered premier academic institutions.  And this aspiration depends, in part, on becoming more selective&#8211;a measure that depends, in large part, on average test scores of admitted students.</p>
<p>So this the problem:  no matter how much we all detest the SAT and ACT scores, it&#8217;s devilishly hard to get rid of them.</p>
<p>Rankings organizations will not drop their use of the test scores, because what other &#8220;objective&#8221; measure of quality could replace them?  At least scores are something easily compared across institutions.  It&#8217;s much harder to actually compare more important variables, such as quality of teaching, student learning outcomes, or &#8220;return on investment.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know whether Baylor&#8217;s cynical ploy to raise its average SAT scores will become a wave of the future.  Most everyone in the business seems shocked and appalled by their practice of buying better SAT scores.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not difficult to understand the incentives, and to understand why the admissions and financial aid offices acted the way they did.  To become a highly-ranked, world class university, those average test scores had better be as high as they can be.  In the rankings game, nothing else matters as much as the numbers.</p>
<p>My guess is that while other admissions directors are busy condemning Baylor&#8217;s decision, they&#8217;re also secretly trying to figure out how to achieve the goal without incurring the wrath of their peers.  I think they probably admire Baylor&#8217;s chutzpah more than they would like to admit.</p>
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<p>&nbsp;</p><p>The post <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com/blog/baylor-pays-students-to-retake-the-sat-proving-that-rankings-drive-policy/">Baylor Pays Students to Retake SAT for Rankings</a> first appeared on <a href="https://greatcollegeadvice.com">Great College Advice</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
					
		
		
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