selective - College Admission Counseling https://greatcollegeadvice.com Great College Advice Sat, 16 Aug 2025 18:55:07 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 https://greatcollegeadvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/758df36141c47d1f8f375b9cc39a9095.png selective - College Admission Counseling https://greatcollegeadvice.com 32 32 Samford's New Program for High Achievers https://greatcollegeadvice.com/samfords-new-program-for-high-achievers/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=samfords-new-program-for-high-achievers Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:44:08 +0000 https://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=9531 Some universities, like Samford University in Birmingham, Alabama, are not very selective. However, every university likes to attract top-notch students to fill its classrooms. Samford has implemented a new program for high achieving students, whereby it is offering more rigorous courses for students who are eligible for them upon admission. The idea is to boost the curriculum up a notch for these students who need a challenge.

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On his recent visit to Samford University, Mark speaks about the University’s new rigorous program for top notch students.
Check out the video to learn more about this honors program or read below the transcript:

Mark Montgomery
Educational Consultant
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When I talked to the Dean of Admissions here at Samford, he told me about a new program, relatively new program anyway, a two year old program called University Fellows.  This is a program for some of the best and the brightest of their applicant pool.  They are providing very generous scholarships for those who are at the top of their class, at the top of their ACT scores, and developing a kind of school within a school, using the same curriculum as all the other Samford students, but really designed for those students who want to take it up a notch, who want to really do a great job.
Samford is not a selective college, it takes about—he said—80-85% of the students who apply and most of them are self-selected, but like every other college they want to be attractive to those very top notch kids.
Why is this important?  Well for the very talented student, often there is competition—and here’s the carol —there is competition among universities for the top student.  Competition in terms of money, and financial aid, merit aid that colleges are willing to give to you in order to attract you.  So even though this is not a selective college, as a very selected student, you have an opportunity to sell yourself to the highest bidder.  So if you like this kind of education, if you like the kind of faith based college that Samford is, if you could really stand this absolutely drop dead gorgeous campus, and you’re willing to be among peers, that, some of them may be really great like you, but others may not, you can get a very sweet financial aid package.  You might even get a free college education.  So a lot of what we do when I work with my clients is to find the right match.  If you’re looking for financial aid then we need to select the right college for you where you have the best opportunity to get the money you need to reduce the cost of your college education.

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Essays That Worked–Examples of Successful College Applications https://greatcollegeadvice.com/essays-that-worked-examples-of-successful-college-applications/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=essays-that-worked-examples-of-successful-college-applications Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:44:20 +0000 https://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=7410 Sometimes looking at examples of successful college essays can help you get the creative juices flowing.

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I’m often asked by clients and others about how to craft the perfect college essay.  One way to get an idea of what colleges are looking for is to read some great essays from students who have been successful in their bid to enter a selective university.

Keep in mind, however, that it’s rarely a good idea to emulate someone else’s topic or writing style.  The point of asking students to write these essays for their college applications is to get a sense of who that individual is as a person.  Copying someone else’s format or incorporating others’ ideas into your own essay is a sure-fire way to muddle things up.

So, by all means, have a look at some good essays to give you a general idea of how other students have completed this highly personal, highly specific assignment.  But when you sit down to write your own, look into your own mind, your own heart, your own soul to formulate the essay that works for you.
Here is a list of college websites that have examples of college essays on them.

Johns Hopkins University‘s Office of Admission

Hamilton College’s Alumni Magazine

Tufts University’s Office of Admission

Connecticut College‘s Office of Admission

The College Board‘s advice on writing essays has a few examples with critique.

If you want a sense of how important the opening lines of your college essay can be, see my own post here, with samples from Stanford.

And if you run across other colleges and universities that public successful examples of essays, please let me know!  I’ll add them to this list.

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Legacy Admission: The Advantage of Being a Child of an Alumnus https://greatcollegeadvice.com/legacy-admission-the-advantage-of-being-a-child-of-an-alumnus/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=legacy-admission-the-advantage-of-being-a-child-of-an-alumnus Thu, 04 Nov 2010 14:16:34 +0000 https://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=6497 Does it help if your mom or dad graduated from the college of your dreams? Yes, it can, as long as you meet the other conditions of admission.

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Depending on who you are, you may love or hate the idea that children of alumni get a preference in the college admissions process.  The fact is that most colleges have been using legacy admission both as a recruiting mechanism and as a way to ensure continuing–and vital–alumni giving through the ages.
Just look at this set of lines from Dartmouth school song, now known as “The Alma Mater,” (which was known as “Men of Dartmouth” from the days when Dartmouth was an all-male institution):

Dear old Dartmouth, set a watchLest the old traditions fail!Stand as sister stands by brother!Dare a deed for the old Mother!Greet the world, from the hills, with a hail!For the sons of old Dartmouth,For the daughters of Dartmouth.


Being a son or daughter of Dartmouth alumni does give an applicant a slight edge. Top schools do not really set a “quota” or target for how many legacy admits they will make in a year, but there is no doubt that having that connection is going to help.  Legacy status is not a sufficient condition for acceptance: an applicant must have the academic profile as well as other qualitative strengths to bring to the college community.  But when given the choice between admitting two qualified candidates, one a legacy and one another “good kid from a good background,” the admissions office is likely to offer admission to the legacy and a nicely written letter of rejection to the other good kid.
A recent article in the Tufts Daily does an excellent job of explaining legacy admissions.  Have a look.
Keep in mind that the lack of an alumni tie to a particular school will not generally hurt your chances of admission.  But if you do have a parent who attended, that tie might give you a slight advantage.  And when it comes to the most highly selective schools, that advantage just may make the difference between acceptance and rejection.
Mark Montgomery
Educational Consultant
 
 


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Debt Free U–Investing in College and Choosing a Major https://greatcollegeadvice.com/debt-free-u-investing-in-college-and-choosing-a-major/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=debt-free-u-investing-in-college-and-choosing-a-major Wed, 01 Sep 2010 14:17:43 +0000 https://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=6274 Zac Bissonnette continues his guest post on our blog by talking about the dangers of thinking of college of an "investment," and on the perceived perils of choosing the right major.

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Debt Free U Cover Image Zac BissonnetteIn yesterday’s post on financial aid, I introduced Zac Bissonnette, a Twitter pal, who has written a new book–published yesterday–called Debt Free U:  How I Paid for an Outstanding Education Without Loans, Scholarships, or Mooching Off My Parents.  Once again, I’m pleased that Zac has offered to write another post to give his views on whether it’s a good idea to think of “investing” in college and on the perceived perils of choosing the wrong college major.

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Why is it dangerous to think of college as an “investment”?

When I look at all the data on the returns of going to college and of going to one college over another, this is what I conclude: College is perhaps the best case of what economists call diminishing marginal utility you will ever find.
In other words, the long-term return on getting a bachelor degree at the lowest possible price is quite high. But  when you start to spend more than the minimum required, the marginal return plummets and it very quickly goes from being an investment to being consumption.
Think of it in terms of cars. People say all the time “A car is not an investment”. But that’s actually not true if you need a car in order to get to work. If a $5,000 car allows you to get to a job that pays you $50,000 instead of sitting at home doing nothing, that $5,000 car is a fantastic investment! But buying a more expensive car will not increase your income at all past the point that a solid reliable cheap car will. So once you’ve gotten to the price you need to get reliable transportation, any money you spend on the car stops being an investment and becomes consumption. College is exactly the same.


How important is choosing a college major in determining future financial success—or happiness?
I look at some research in the book that shows that choice of major is not nearly as significant in terms of its impact on financial success as people think: what matters its the career you decide to pursue, not what you happened to major in.
Clearly there are a few majors that really do track very directly with specific careers that you can’t get without that major. Like engineering and accounting, which are great if you want to be an engineer or an accountant. But beyond that, people shouldn’t fret too much about major. People get entry-level jobs in all sorts of fields with all kinds of degrees, and most employers are more interested in your GPA, internships, and work ethic than they are in your major.
 

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Zac offers some very strong opinions about college as an investment, and it’s hard to argue with him.  You cannot really know the value of your an expensive college education–in dollars and cents–until you have lived your entire life.  Even then, it will be virtually impossible to put a dollar value on that education in a way that isolates variables in any convincing, scientific way.  Are my earnings today a direct function of my Ivy League education?  Or my graduate degree?  Or my experience as a high school teacher making a whopping $14k per year? Or my sparkling personality?  Or the quality of friends I make on Twitter?
There is no telling. So when buying a college education, you really need to think about those other values. Does this education have other values that are not captured by economics alone?  And on the other side of the equation, is there something else I could do with these dollars earmarked for tuition that actually does pay a predictable return–in economic terms?
These are the sorts of questions that Zac–and I–encourage parents and students to really think about as they are selecting the right colleges for themselves.
 
Mark Montgomery
Educational Consultant
 

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College Counselor to Speak In Hong Kong About US University Admission https://greatcollegeadvice.com/college-counselor-to-speak-in-hong-kong-about-us-universit-admission/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=college-counselor-to-speak-in-hong-kong-about-us-universit-admission Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:04:29 +0000 https://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=3363 American Chamber of Commerce in Hong Kong Presents Mark A. Montgomery, PhD Independent College Consultant Lunch and Learn Presentation: Choosing the Right College in the US: Strategies for Success February 3, 2010 (Wednesday) 12:00 to 2:00 pm AmCham Office Conference Room 1904 Bank of America Tower 12 Harcourt Road, Central, Hong Kong Most conversations about […]

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American Chamber of Commerce in Hong Kong

Presents

Mark A. Montgomery, PhD
Independent College Consultant

Lunch and Learn Presentation:

Choosing the Right College in the US: Strategies for Success

February 3, 2010 (Wednesday)
12:00 to 2:00 pm

AmCham Office
Conference Room
1904 Bank of America Tower
12 Harcourt Road, Central, Hong Kong

Most conversations about college admission begin with “how can I get in?” But one’s chances of acceptance are closely correlated to whether the college is a good match for the student’s abilities, interests, and aspirations. This Lunch and Learn will explain why the college match is critical, and show participants how to compile a list of colleges that offer the best chances for admission.

Participants will learn:

  • Why the college match is the most critical factor in college admission today
  • What aspects of college match really are most important to the student—and the admissions office
  • How to develop lists of criteria for college selection
  • How to thoroughly research colleges to determine whether they match the student’s selection criteria
  • How to create an application strategy to highlight the match between student and college

Participants will analyze several case studies to apply these principles. The aim is to empower participants to help their own students focus on the most important aspect of college admissions today.

Mark A. Montgomery, Ph.D., is a former high school teacher, college professor, and associate dean. His former employers include the University of Denver, Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, and Harvard University. He earned his BA from Dartmouth College and his PhD from Tufts University. He was also a Fulbright teacher in France. He now guides high school students and their families through the college admissions process. His clients include students bound for selective colleges, as well as late bloomers, under-achievers, and students with learning differences. He is based in Denver, Colorado, but enjoys working with clients from all over the world.

Email Inquiries: cli [at] amcham.org.hk
Fax (852) 2810 1289

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A Visit to Stanford https://greatcollegeadvice.com/a-visit-to-stanford/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-visit-to-stanford Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:17:25 +0000 https://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=2131 Today I spent a couple of hours at Stanford University.  It was my first visit to the campus, and I was part of an organized tour for college counselors.  We were given a brief professional overview of the admissions process, and then we went on a student-led tour. Here’s a brief overview of what I […]

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Today I spent a couple of hours at Stanford University.  It was my first visit to the campus, and I was part of an organized tour for college counselors.  We were given a brief professional overview of the admissions process, and then we went on a student-led tour.

Here’s a brief overview of what I learned from DeAngela Burns-Wallace, an assistant dean of admission (and, I may add, an excellent spokesperson for Stanford).

This was a record year for applications to Stanford.  The office of admission received 31,000 applications for admission, a whopping 22% increase over last year’s numbers.  Ms. Burns-Wallace speculated that many factors led to this increase, including the economic turmoil, continued demographic shifts, the changes in early admissions policies at some of its peer institutions, and the fact that Stanford has very rich financial aid packages, especially for those students from families of modest means.  In addition, Mr. Burns-Wallace credited the Dean of Admission, for ramping up Stanford’s recruiting efforts to attract more and more outstanding applicants.Stanford University on a gray April day.

Of these 31,000 applications, Stanford admitted only 2300, for an admissions rate of 7.6%–a figure that nearly identical to Harvard’s admit rate in 2008.  Of these 2300, Stanford is aiming for a class of 1700 first year students.

Applications at Stanford are read first by territory, and then at least one or maybe two other individual readers examine each and every file.  Then the file moves to a committee of at least four admissions officers, and depending on where the applicant falls in the process, the file may even come to a committee of the entire staff.

Stanford has a “restricted early action” admission program for those students who are certain that Stanford is their first choice.  Nine percent of early applicant were admitted, making it slightly easier (statistically speaking!) to be admitted early.  But the admissions crew was very cautious in admitted students early, in part because of the difficulty of predicting eventual numbers of applications in the regular admissions pool.  Stanford doesn’t hesitate to reject applications outright in the early pool, and 14% of early applications were deferred to the regular admissions pool.  Of those who were deferred, 10% of those were offered admission.  Ms. Burns-Wallace stressed that if an applicant is deferred to spring, it is because the admissions office feels that the candidate is a viable applicant with many strengths.

During the Question and Answer period, many of the counselors asked good questions that elicited helpful information from Ms. Burns-Wallace, and from an undergraduate student who was on hand to provide the student perspective.  Here is a rundown of the questions and the answers.

Questions and Answers

  1. One counselor asked a rumor she had heard that Stanford was somehow required to admit a certain percentage of applicants from the state of Califonia.  The answer is no.  Ms. Burns-Wallace explained that 40% of the applicant pool is from California, so naturally a relatively large percentage (33% this year) of accepted students were also from California.  Obviously this is a big state, Stanford is in California, and as with other colleges, the home state of accepted students reflects the composition of the applicant pool.

    Stanford University Library2.    Another counselor asked which programs are strongest.  The answer is that all are top notch.  Ms. Burns-Wallace stressed that the advising system at Stanford is also quite strong, so every student has the opportunity to explore a variety of different disciplines during their undergraduate program.  However, the student piped up to say that three programs, in particular, have grown in popularity in recent years:  human biology, product design, and earth systems.

    3.    In response to a question about international admissions, Ms. Burns-Wallace (herself a former Foreign Service Officer in Beijing) highlighted the deep collective international experience of the admissions officers.  Several of the admissions officers have strong overseas experience, and several have been reading international application for years.  In addition, there is an committee dedicated to international admissions.  The only difference in the process is that international applications are read with an eye to the student’s ability to pay:  international admissions is not need blind.  Few international students (about 30 this year) receive any financial assistance to attend.  It’s important to note, however, that American citizens living abroad and permanent resident aliens are considered within the “regular,” need blind admissions pool, and are not really considered “international” students.Bikes at Stanford University

    4.    The Stanford supplemental questions to the Common Application are super important in the admissions process.  The admissions committee is best able to discern one’s true interest in Stanford in the answers to these questions.  in addition, they are able to get a strong sense of how the student thinks.  What is important with most of these questions (as in most essay questions offered up by just about any college) is to explain not the “what” of the question, but the “why.”  Thus the committee is not looking for “right” answers to the questions.  They are looking for genuine, creative, interesting, and revealing answers that give the reader a sense of the writer.  They seek students who have original ideas, whose minds are burbling with curiosity—and the wherewithal to turn that curiosity into questions—and answers.  Stanford does not seek out intellectuals who are purely theoretical thinkers. Stanford searchers for doers, people who will relentlessly pursue solutions to problems of whatever sort.


    5.    In this vein, both the admissions officer and the student representative stressed the “entrepreneurial spirit” of Stanford.  The focus, again, is on seeking solutions, not on sitting around in contemplation of how many angels dance on heads of pins.   Stanford students are not geeks: they are smart folks who want to solve problems and create stuff.

    zi6_03476.    Our hosts stressed that Stanford’s campus is big.  Huge, in fact.  Eight thousand acres.  Getting from place to place on foot can take sometime.  So having a bike on campus is key—everyone’s favorite mode of transport.  Biking is so common that lanes have been painted on the walkways and bikeways, and even a traffic circle has been installed in at least one busy biking intersection to cut down on accidents and frustration.  And this was borne out on our tour—bikers zipped in and out and around our group.  Being a pedestrian on this campus can be a bit unnerving, because everyone seems to be mounted upon a two-wheeled conveyance.

All in all, I enjoyed my visit to Stanford, and feel fortunate to have finally been able to see this renowned campus for myself.

Mark Montgomery
College Counselor

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Keeping Perspective on Selective College Admissions https://greatcollegeadvice.com/keeping-perspective-on-selective-college-admissions/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=keeping-perspective-on-selective-college-admissions Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:34:10 +0000 https://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=2018 Theresa, a dear friend whom I haven’t seen in ages, called me the other day.  We talked for a long time.  Her son is a sophomore in high school.  As his doting mother, Theresa is in a lather about his prospects for college admission. As we hadn’t spoken in quite a while, Theresa asked me […]

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Theresa, a dear friend whom I haven’t seen in ages, called me the other day.  We talked for a long time.  Her son is a sophomore in high school.  As his doting mother, Theresa is in a lather about his prospects for college admission.

As we hadn’t spoken in quite a while, Theresa asked me about my philosophy about college admissions.  She wanted to know what I thought were the quality colleges.

Theresa is an educator at a major state university.  I asked her what good education looks like, in her professional opinion.  She responded, predictably, that good education is all about what happens in the classroom between a well-prepared, knowledgeable, caring, and enthusiastic instructor and the willing, capable, and hard-working student.

Moral of the story:  education is not about an institution.  It is a process that occurs between teachers and students, primarily.  It is about learning, not about prestige.

The sad fact is that many of the most prestigious, Gotta-Get-In colleges do not deliver the best quality education—based on this bare-bones definition.  They deliver a lot of atmospherics and ivy and Nobel Prize winners and fantastic facilities (for graduate students, anyway).  But what happens in the classroom is not necessarily the priority of every Gotta-Got-In institution.

Theresa and I bandied these ideas around for quite some time, and we shared some interesting personal insights about our own educational experiences…both as students and as teachers.

A few hours after we hung up the phone, I came across an article written by Gregg Easterbrook, a writer for the Atlantic Monthly who has been a fellow at the Brookings Institution.  He wrote an article for Brookings in 2004, entitled “Who Needs Harvard?”

I recommend it to my readers who want a glimpse of how I think about prestige and the Gotta-Get-In colleges.  I don’t think Harvard and the rest of the top 25 most selective colleges are all bad:  I attended one and taught at another, and I’m proud of my associations with both.  Furthermore, several of the top 25 are truly outstanding—places I might be delighted to see my kids or my nieces and nephews attend.

What I decry is the notion that entry into the top 25 becomes a life-or-death pursuit for many kids—and their parents.  We all must keep things in their proper perspective:  an excellent education can be had a literally hundreds of institutions around the country.

And the quality of a student’s education has much more to do with the initiative, intelligence, and focus of the student than with the quality of the institution she attends.

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How Competitive is College Admissions? Enough to Tempt Parents to Behave Badly https://greatcollegeadvice.com/how-competitive-is-college-admissions-enough-to-tempt-parents-to-behave-badly/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=how-competitive-is-college-admissions-enough-to-tempt-parents-to-behave-badly Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:19:18 +0000 https://greatcollegeadvice.com/?p=1128 The Chicago Tribune ran a story on Monday about the lengths to which some parents will go to get their darlings into college.  The whole process of selecting and applying to college is certainly stressful.  And there is no doubt that the competition is fierce. It’s also true that in some school communities, the competition […]

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The Chicago Tribune ran a story on Monday about the lengths to which some parents will go to get their darlings into college.  The whole process of selecting and applying to college is certainly stressful.  And there is no doubt that the competition is fierce.

It’s also true that in some school communities, the competition is even more fierce.  At toney private schools in the East, for example, there may be 30 members of the 100 students in the graduating class who are all applying to Harvard or Tufts or both.  Clearly, no college will want to admit every student from that school who applies, even if every last one of them has perfect grades and a perfect test scores.  Colleges are social engineers, and to accept so many from one place would throw the community out of balance.

So, as this article describes, some parents are not holding back in their attempts to sandbag others’ kids in order to promote their own. Here are some examples of sandbagging from the article:

  • Anonymous notes to the admissions office recommending that they look at a rival’s Facebook page.
  • Phone calls suggesting that a student is lying about particular accomplishments or extracurricular involvements.
  • Newspaper clippings attesting to a student’s involvement in a crime or other bad behavior.

While this article does shed some light on how desperate a small number of parents (and their students) are to get into the most competitive colleges, the article does suggest that to focus on this sort of aberrant behavior only fans the fires of the fall admissions frenzy.

The article suggests that most admissions officers ignore these instances of parental interference, unless the letter is signed or unless it presents some sort of hard evidence–like the newspaper clipping.  The fact is that the practice of sandbagging other students is both rare and ineffective.  And if you read this article carefully, amid the sensationalist hype are some strong indications that the article’s headline bends reality in order to attract readers.

Here are some passages from the article that cool the hype.

College admissions officials said they do not track how many of these letters, calls or e-mails they receive and said they are unsure whether they’re getting more of them.

So is sandbagging becoming more common?  No data.  Admissions officials are “unsure” if the practice is increasing as competition increases.  Fact is, this practice has been going on for a long time.

“We see everything. Nothing shocks us anymore.”

So says the dean of admissions of Northwestern University.  Thus the article’s implication that sandbagging is a new phenomenon is misleading. Desperate and silly parents have been around for a long time.

…anonymous allegations typically get thrown in the trash. If the letters include specific allegations or a newspaper article detailing criminal activity, officials might follow up with a call to the applicants or their high schools.

Thus, sandbagging does not work.  Admissions officers are not stupid.  And they are also prudent.  So if they receive random messages written in crayon in unmarked envelopes, admissions people have a good laugh at the sandbagger’s expense and move on with their job.  Or they are careful to investigate specific allegations (which often turn up in teacher recommendations, anyway…either as the discreet but clear note at the bottom saying, “Call Me!”, or as a very weak letter of support).

The article also drops a little hint toward the end of the article that helps identify one of the sources of the problem, in general.  High schools generally do not put disciplinary information onto a transcript, nor do they report disciplinary actions to colleges in other ways.  This information is somehow deemed “private,” while the academic information is readily shared with college admissions officers.

In my mind, this is a huge problem.  It is also one of the reasons so many private consultants deal with families who arrive on our doorsteps with stories like this: “My daughter is really a great kid.  Of course, there was that one time she was busted for cocaine possession in Daytona Beach, and that time she was suspended for a week for selling marijuana–it was only a tiny amount.  We know you can help us tell her story in a way that will help cover for those minor infractions so she can get into the school of her dreams.”

I tell clients right up front that I will not be an accessory to a lie.  I will help the student explain the mistake, and if appropriate, help the contrite and apologetic young person explain past transgressions in terms of lessons learned and prospects for a better future.

While sandbagging is sleazy, I find it more sleazy–and much more common–that parents are totally comfortable with lying on behalf of their own child than they are willing to tear down someone else.  This finding is no consolation, to be sure.  But at least I keep my own conscience clear and my reputation intact.

 

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